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ABOUT

We are podcast lab, training storytellers to produce stories about science, medicine, and technology partnered with the Black Brown Queer Center. 

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undertones

undertones is a digital exhibit by members of the meta-stasis production team. This exhibit puts a humanistic spin on what it means to review scientific literature. Contributors used dermatology articles published since the 1990s as jumping off points to spark humanistic and critical art and writing. The art and writing featured here engages with problems at the nexus between race, dermatology, cancer, and the algorithmic turn. 

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THE NUMBERS

In this episode, we explore how the metaphor of "fighting" cancer stands in cancer research. Where are we in this war? To answer this question, the Metastasis team turned to the history of cancer in a 1997 paper titled "Cancer Undefeated" by statisticians Dr. John Bailar and Dr. Heather Gornik. It turns out that if you take survival rates as a measure for progress against cancer, the results don't show success. Special guests include Dr. Barbara Bailar and guest producer Dr. Melissa Bailar.

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THE Wart 

In this episode, producer Yesmar Oyarzun interviews Dr. Andrea Murina, a dermatologist at Tulane University School of Medicine. Yesmar explores a current crisis impacting the field of dermatology. Namely, medical students and dermatologists tend to miss even common diseases when they present on people with dark skin. Yesmar and Dr. Murina take us to their shared home state of Louisiana to explore different ways that dermatologists have met with the crisis that a history of neglect has laid before them. What they find, in the end, is that there may be no quick fixes to such structural issues.

THE NOISE

Senior producer Yesmar Oyurzun sits down with linguistic anthropologist Dr. Beth Semel to talk about how different technological tools are used in biomedicine. In her own work, Dr. Semel studies how data driven diagnostic techniques are used to screen for stages of mental health, which failed to work. Yesmar and Dr. Semel discuss the relationship between medical diagnostic techniques, race, and data to explore the limits of processing social and embodied complexities into useful information.

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INTERLUDE

The Warrior

In this episode, guest contributors Els Woudstra and Dr. Travis Alexander explore and discuss the life of Audre Lorde, a self-described "Black, lesbian, mother, warrior, poet." Our guest hosts explore Lorde's breast cancer diagnosis and her activism in the 1980s. Their critical discussion reveals a raw, self-contained, and influential story that continues to challenge the martial narratives ascribed to cancer today.

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In this episode, host Katherine Wu interviews Dr. April Carpenter, a physical therapist at the MD Anderson Cancer Center. April details the emotional labor that often goes into her work as a physical therapist, such as grappling with patients’ unrealistic expectations for everyday life after treatment. By further reflecting on their own family histories of cancer, Katherine and April discuss what it means to have a good death, and how this should inform medical practice.

 

The VIRUS

In this episode, host Bilal Rehman interviews Dr. Robin Scheffler, historian of the modern biological and biomedical sciences at MIT and author of A Contagious Cause: The American Hunt for Cancer Viruses and the Rise of Molecular Medicine. Bilal explores Scheffler’s studies on the relationship and history between laboratory and legislature in bioscience, relating them to his own experiences with cancer in his family and his community. Particularly, Bilal uses Scheffler’s idea of the “biomedical settlement” to further understand his mother’s lymphoma diagnosis, his current academic interests, and the implications of his career as a physician in the future.

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The Cufflinks

In this episode, host Eddie Jackson interviews Sissy, the partner of their late Uncle Robert. Eddie and Sissy remember Uncle Robert, his struggle with cancer, and how he remained caring and considerate, even on his deathbed. Eddie also learns about Sissy’s own cancer diagnosis and the family’s broader relationship with the disease. Recounting this personal, familial history leads Eddie to reflect on their roots and their decision to pursue medicine.

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Lan Li

Director

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Danyal Rizvi

Executive Producer

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Cher Vincent

Executive Advisor

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Yesmar Oyarzun

Senior Producer

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Eddie Jackson

Producer, Researcher

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Juliann Bi

Producer, Media Lead

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Bilal Rehman

Senior Producer

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Katherine Wu

Producer, Assistant Editor

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Aysel Rizvi

Assistant Editor

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Mandy Quan

Producer, Researcher

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Alicia Leong

Producer, Resercher

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Tian-Tian He

Producer, Researcher

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Taylor Philips

Producer

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Jason Lee

Producer

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Amar Sheth

Producer

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Josh Harper

Producer

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